eXeem i public release

[migmigmig]

eXeem 0.20 er nu er frigivet til alle og enhver, se:

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=642
http://www.exeem.com

Diskussionen går meget på om det indbyggede adware fra firmaet Cydoor, er noget man kan leve med.

Måske burde eXeem have sit eget forum på Piratgruppen, siden det bruger sit eget netværk.

På den anden side mangler Piratgruppen vist ikke fora :shock:

[Roly]

Kan du fortælle lidt om programmet, da jeg ikke lige ved hvad det er :)

[PackedManiac]

Programmet hører til i Kazaa sektionen, der hvor jeg også har postet om det ;)

Det bruger BitTorrent princippet, men så alligevel ikke. Den henter meta-data filer ned, istedet for bittorrent filer, og med det system er exeem ikke afhængig af en tracker som sådan.

[CODAY]

der er også lavet en exeem lite (kan ikke huske link)

[_Case_]

http://www.exlite.net/

[oiv]

Men er det så også sådan, at man deler når man downloader?

[migmigmig]

Men er det så også sådan, at man deler når man downloader?
Ja, det skriver de. Men har ikke fundet ud af om det kan slåes fra.

Folkene bag (Swarm Systems) beskriver eXeem, som et netværk, der bygger på ideen i BitTorrent, men som til forskel fra BT bruger bruger peer-to-peer, d.v.s. 'ligeværdige' klienter. Med andre ord er der ingen tracker, som antipirater kan rette deres angreb imod.

[migmigmig]

Programmet hører til i Kazaa sektionen
Hvorfor dog det?

P.g.a. fakes?? Men systemet skulle jo have et udmærket kommenteres og stemme-system.(Med 2000 samtidige brugere er det vel heller ikke det store problem endnu
:) )

P.g.a. adware?? Det er vist ikke så forskelligt fra så mange andre fildelingsprogrammer...for slet ikke at tale om almindelige internet-sider, der jo vrimler med reklamer.

[BeLLe]

prøvede lite versionen igår og er IKKE imponeret.
ved første øjekast ser der fint nok ud med en liste over nye filer og en opdeling i genrer men hvad hjælper det når man ikke kan downloade noget...

Jeg prøvede en 8-10 forskellige filer der alle skulle være seedet godt men der var intet at gøre.

Idéen er god nok men jeg tror bare ikke det er modnet endnu. så jeg venter til den er i final version og giver det så en chance mere.

[migmigmig]

Læste lige på Slyck, at der nu er ca. 30.000 bruger på eXeem og ca 5500 filer. Det er gået hurtigt.

Hvor godt mon eXeem deler med eXeem Lite?

[Draco]

Ja jeg har kigget lidt rung på de deverse sider og ja det virker da til at væreen fix ide jeg kan dog ikke lide at det er Cydor som står for adwaren. Men det er da et klart plus at de har valgt at fortælle om adwaren og ikke prøve at skjule den..

[chicken]

nogle der kan hjæpe med en kode,,, trode lige jeg skulle prøve det men der skal jo kode til...

[z33k]

nogle der kan hjæpe med en kode,,, trode lige jeg skulle prøve det men der skal jo kode til...

Du skal bare trykke på det lille kryds :)

[chicken]

mit Exeem Lite stopper hele tiden med at svare :( gør den også det hos jer...

[aL]

Jeg kan på ingen måde se hvad Exeem skulle kunne bidrage med i sammenlignet med de andre tilbud der allerede er. Det overgår BT på én eneste måde, og det er ved at det er decentraliseret.. -men når man ser det som den eneste fordel, og holder det op mod alle de negative ting (muligheden for fakefiles og spyware), så vejer BT stadig NOGET tungere end de andre p2p alternativer. Særligt hvis man kun henter nye ting!
Men projektet er da helt sikkert spændende, og lad os håbe at det vil bane vejen for flere idéer inden for p2p!
Jeg er dog stadig tro mod BT (selvom at jeg er begyndt at bruge DC++, til de ting som ikke lige kan findes på BT).

[chicken]

Jeg kan på ingen måde se hvad Exeem skulle kunne bidrage med i sammenlignet med de andre tilbud der allerede er. Det overgår BT på én eneste måde, og det er ved at det er decentraliseret.. -men når man ser det som den eneste fordel, og holder det op mod alle de negative ting (muligheden for fakefiles og spyware), så vejer BT stadig NOGET tungere end de andre p2p alternativer. Særligt hvis man kun henter nye ting!
Men projektet er da helt sikkert spændende, og lad os håbe at det vil bane vejen for flere idéer inden for p2p!
Jeg er dog stadig tro mod BT (selvom at jeg er begyndt at bruge DC++, til de ting som ikke lige kan findes på BT).

Nu formoder jeg når du skriver BT at det er BitTorrent,,, men Exeem (Lite) bruger jo også Torrent filer,,, selv om det også virker som et normalt P2P program...

[PackedManiac]

Programmet hører til i Kazaa sektionen
Hvorfor dog det?

P.g.a. fakes?? Men systemet skulle jo have et udmærket kommenteres og stemme-system.(Med 2000 samtidige brugere er det vel heller ikke det store problem endnu
:) )

P.g.a. adware?? Det er vist ikke så forskelligt fra så mange andre fildelingsprogrammer...for slet ikke at tale om almindelige internet-sider, der jo vrimler med reklamer.

Tja, synes bare at det program fortjener at ligge i Kazaa sektionen eller også Emule sektionen. Ikke fordi jeg har noget imod Kazaa eller Emule, men fordi at eXeem minder meget om det to. Der er teknisk set ikke meget BitTorrent over eXeem, men den deler BitTorrent princippet.. eksempelvis: man deler meta-filer over netværket og via dem forbinder man til henholdsvis seeds og leechers (med mindre man selvfølgelig selv er seederen).

Jeg gætter også på at når det program engang bliver populært så vil der dukke hash-sites op (ligesom med mulen). Suprnova.org tror jeg vidst nok ender med at blive sådan. Det har Sloncek i hentydet til i beta-forumet.

Jeg venter dog mindst et par måneder før jeg prøver dette her program :)

[nightspydk]

For at udvise lidt solidaritet med mine fælles danske pirater så vil jeg ikke anbefale det her. Jeg tror, men ved ikke, at de fleste "hardcore" bittorent p2p'ere holder sig fra det og det vil være nybegyndere der benytter systemet. Der florerer alerede div viruses på nettet og der kommer utvivlsomt flere. Fake files. Ja jeg kan huske Kazaa. Hvilket mareridt. "Rating system". Er der nogle her der tror det kommer til at fungere. Ja ikke mig.
Skulle det ha' interesse så vælg for din skyld lite versionen. Cydoor kan skabe div problemer. Check det link i slyck artiklen til cydoor.

[VinZenZo]

Kan ikke finde noget via search :o

Holder mig til ABC når det gælder BT :p

[migmigmig]

Kan ikke finde noget via search :o
http://www.exeems.com skulle indeholde eXeems-links. Det er vel også på den måde man udgår fakes.

[VinZenZo]

Kan ikke finde noget via search :o
http://www.exeems.com skulle indeholde eXeems-links. Det er vel også på den måde man udgår fakes.

Sådan :)

Nu skal man bare lige se, om den gider komme videre fra connecting :P

[AmbY]

må siger at jeg personligt er skuffet over at den ligner så meget mere kazaa end bittorrent "vejen" men altså må jo gi' mig for at der som der står på forsiden alelrede nu er 120.000downloads, for vel ike at sige mange flere i dag... ...men fair, jeg holder mig til det normale, det ved man hvad er...


mvh.dk amby

[Chron]

Tror næppe du kan regne med det antal downloads, iMesh har også en counter som stiger med 1 hvert sekund... yeah... det er realistisk.... Lineær stigning uden mindste afvigelse.. :P

Hvad angår at de har brugt cydoor, og at det er meget fint at de har valgt at skrive om det... Hvis de havde prøvet at gemme det havde der lydt rama skrig, for det tager ikke 2 minutter at tjekke om man har fået cydoor efter man har installeret eXeem..
Nåja. Jeg kan som sådan være ligeglad. :P

[devildoesnotexist]

Exeem er kommet på ban liste på lokitorrent.com p.gr.a. af Cydoor.

There has been tons and tons ... and tons of talk about eXeem being the new way to use peer to peer.

We at LokiTorrent completely agree. The premise of eXeem sounds quite nice. The unfortunate fact remains that the once great people at suprnova are not in control of this application. Many of suprnova's higher-ups have left the once-great site as a result of this fact.

Touted as the savior of peer-to-peer, eXeem ended up becoming nothing more than a new version of KaZaa, cydoor spyware included.

Early warning of this began when news came out of eXeem being closed-source, a world-known indicator that someone has become too greedy and any chance of it being 'for the community' are forfeit.

We sincerely wish the people at suprnova the best in future endeavors, but it is apparent that signing up with an 'unnammed corporation' was the undoing of what could have been the 'next best thing' in peer-to-peer community sharing.

We hope that, and will continue to work towards, peer-to-peer becoming a viable alternative for those not wishing to pay 90% of the profits made from their hard work and talent to the likes of the MPAA and RIAA to distribute their works. This is, after all, why peer-to-peer exists; the spead of information and creative works by those who wish to share them with the world, actually be able to share them without having to ask permission to do so from the money-hungry distributers hell-bent on making a mockery of the great concept of the internet.

In light of these facts, the new application eXeem has been banned from our site. This does not mean that we at LokiTorrent are not supportive of new forms of peer-to-peer, but simply that we don't wish our members to submit to spyware privacy invasion in order to simply share files.

Best wishes,

The LokiTorrent Staff
01/23 - Our official stance on eXeem (by lowkee)

[FakeNick]

Det spyware de snakker om der er i exeem, har jeg intet mærket til (måske mit antispyware der har taget det) men tilgengæld synes jeg det er "#¤#¤ træls når jeg åbner exeem op efter ikke at have brugt det i 24timer og så siger den:

tracker for 'film.avi' failed: 'tracker: "http://82.197.77.124:4000/announce" timed out'

[migmigmig]

LokiTorrent bruger åbenbart ethvert argument for give et slag til storebror SuprNova.

Den med at kun Open Source du'er, er bare for langt ude.

[FakeNick]

Den med at kun Open Source du'er, er bare for langt ude.

jo den gør!

tænk tilbage...

Kazaa = ikke åben source - fyldt med fakes, og programmet indholder spyware...

Direct connect = var rimligt populær, men da dc++, som er open source begyndte der virkelig at ske noget..

emule er også open source og er populært og godt

bittorrent og open source er meget populært, men hvor mange bruger stadig det originale bittorrent? altså hvis bittorrent ikke havde været open source ville ingen bruge det...


Så jo, open source er et must hvis det skal være populært

[migmigmig]

Ares, Overnet, Shareaza (indtil for nyelig)... og meget uden for fildeling. Open Source er ikke helligt.

[Fragman]

Jeg kan kun sige en ting hold jer fra exeem det er for nemt at buste jeg på det og ingen ved særlig meget om det og hvem der har lavet andet end at suprnova påstår de har lavet det men da nogle af suprnovas folk er smuttet på grund af adware i exeem.

og da det ikke er open source er det ikke til at vide hvor sikkert det endelig er....

cydoor er ikke kun adware men også spyware

<indlæg ændret pga. opfordring til flame, drop det! - Christian>

[Tobias]

Fragman skrev:
Jeg kan kun sige en ting hold jer fra exeem det er for nemt at buste jeg på det og ingen ved særlig meget om det og hvem der har lavet andet end at suprnova påstår de har lavet det men da nogle af suprnovas folk er smuttet på grund af adware i exeem.

og da det ikke er open source er det ikke til at vide hvor sikkert det endelig er....

cydoor er ikke kun adware men også spyware

<indlæg ændret pga. opfordring til flame, drop det! - Christian>

Så vidt jeg har forstået er det ikke nemmere at blive bustet end når man bruger BT, og med hensyn til ad-waren, så kan man bare bruge Exeem Lite (http://www.exlite.net/).

De største problem efter min mening er risikoen for fake-files og (som du selv siger) at det ikke er open source (jeg siger ikke at alt "ikke open source"
er skidt, men at når det kommer til fil-deling er det en god ting at det er muligt at kunne have styr på hvad der sker på ens computer).

[Fragman]

Så vidt jeg har forstået er det ikke nemmere at blive bustet end når man bruger BT, og med hensyn til ad-waren, så kan man bare bruge Exeem Lite (http://www.exlite.net/).


DU ved ikke meget om decentraliceret server brug som exeem bruger det er total nemt at snuppe dig for alt det du uploader og downloader. Da du ikke bruger en tracker og ikke bruger torrent filer men søger på et netværk. Fordi du nemlig ikke har nogen tracker gør det nemt at buste en...
lige som Emule, kazaa og alle dem. som kører decentraliceret server...

[Jowls]

Så vidt jeg kan se, er det problem som adresseres med Exeem primært trackernes fare for at blive busted/lukket ned af RIAA/MPAA. Men som vi har set, flytter disse så bare til hosts i andre dele af verden, hvor amerikansk lov ikke respekteres og åbner igen.

For den enkelte bruger er sikkerheden i det traditionelle BT netværk så høj som den kan blive på det offentlige internet. Hvis man vil mere, hedder det proxy eller anonyme fildelings-netværk.

Derfor har jeg lidt svært ved at se, hvor Exeem passer ind. Hvad giver den mig af nyt som jeg ikke allerede har? Borset fra Cydoor.....

[SuperNeo]

Læst på PGAC Trackerens Forum:

All the talk of the fool Sloncek and Exeem has made me post this warning message for all our members. Do not install this piece of crap on your PC as it is a spyware tool, much less secure then BT, and is worthless as far as files sharing is concerned unless you want the trouble.
Leave to the the former 'coward' owner of SuprNova to release this garbage to the file sharing community and to betray all BT users.

Why shouldn't we use eXeem?
It contains spyware.
Not only spyware, but Cydoor, arguably one of the worst spyware producers.

It's closed source.
Peer-to-peer communities are, to a large extent, based around the concept of sharing. eXeem has taken a protocol that was shared with the world by its creator and locked it into a closed-source, spyware'd application.

It's windows only.
Yes, this is important. Bittorrent was designed to be truly multi-platform, so that it could become universally available for any purpose. It is this that to a large extent helps the argument that peer-to-peer should remain legal – it's ability to adapt to thousands of useful situations is a great asset to the community, and can be used to save the distribution costs of non-profit organisations. eXeem is clearly a money-spinner, and so it will never gain respect.

It's not as safe as Bittorrent.
Just because it's safer for the few, eXeem is actually more dangerous for the average user. Since Bittorrent doesn't use any encryption or cloaking methods, it's ridiculously easy for a BayTSP system to monitor eXeem and pick out the IP addresses of those who are sharing copyrighted content.

Also, as you're downloading a large number of shared files at one time, there are many more opportunities for infringement capture. In Bittorrent you only share what you are currently downloading, but in eXeem you are sharing everything, and as such are more likely to be sued.

p2pnet.net News:- The members of the Not-So-Magnificent-Seven major movie studio consortium generated vast amounts of on- and offline mainstream media ink and bytes when their MPAA launched an attack on BitTorrent, in effect.

It won't do any good, any more than the Big Music cartel's RIAA has been able to sue people into buying its 'product' - corporate-speak for music.

The first big-name BT site to go down was Suprnova. But almost in the blink of an eye, it was replaced by eXeem and, shades of Kazaa and Grokster, with it comes the loathsome Cydoor.

Read on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why eXeem shouldn't be replacing our bittorrent clients
By Joseph Farthing and Taliban/Eremini - Methlabs

From the early days of peer-to-peer (p2p) networking, most of the interest in the p2p scene was centred around Napster. However, this network had a fatal flaw.

In one of the most famous technology lawsuits of recent times, various recording companies managed to shut Napster down in the courts. Their argument was that the Napster network was centralised – totally dependant upon the central Napster servers to transfer files. Thus, Napster themselves were party to the copyright infringement that occurred on the networks, since if these servers were turned off no copyright infringement could happen.

The next step in peer-to-peer networking, at least the type of network that tried to evade censorship, either politically or through civil means, was to decentralise the network. If the system could exist without a central server, at least in part, then it would be harder for the operators of the network to be sued. This worked, and soon networks like the FastTrack (used by KaZaA) and Gnutella2 were capable of operating without anything more centralised than a list of currently connected users.

This tactic worked, at least from the point of view of network developers. The lawsuits against decentralised networks dried up, and it was ruled that users, not operators were responsible for activity on decentralised networks.

However, Bittorrent is now the most popular peer-to-peer system, purportedly accounting for 35% of Internet traffic. Certainly not all Bittorrent traffic is illegal – a large portion of Bittorrent use is used to transfer large legitimate files such as Linux distributions. However, for those who wished to use Bittorrent to download more “questionable” material the network was just too centralised – the network depends upon a central tracker, as well as a source for downloads.

This means that, just like Napster, Bittorrent sites could be taken down by attacking the source – a series of lawsuits and raids by organisations such as the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), who's former chairman described people who infringe copyright as “Terrorists”, has targeted a number of Bittorrent sites, such as Lokitorrent and, ostensibly, Suprnova, one of the most popular torrent “link” sites.

However, Suprnova closed only after a number of other Bittorrent sites had closed, and it is in this article that we will examine exactly what the reason for the closure of Suprnova was, and will look into the history and existence of eXeem, the new “Suprnova” application.

The majority of torrent sites that were closed were Bittorrent trackers, hosts of the servers that work like the Napster servers used to and are required for downloads to work. Suprnova, on the other hand, was merely a link site, it didn't host a tracker itself, and so any legal argument against it would be difficult to use in court. As such, it is unlikely that Suprnova was legally attacked by the MPAA.

So, why was Suprnova closed? The website now advertises eXeem, and eXeem was hyped prior to the closure of Suprnova. Is it not possible that the closure of Suprnova was as much to do with eXeem as the MPAA? Didn't the developers perhaps wait until a large number of other torrent websites were closed down in order to remove suspicion?

Suprnova was a website populated by many adverts, which were in theory used to pay for the bandwidth costs of the Suprnova website. A website that was as large and popular as Suprnova would have had very high hosting costs, and as such any profit made via the adverts would have been quite small.

However, as a distributed, decentralised application eXeem does not cost the developers much to run at all. Any adverts displayed in this program wouldn't cost anything to produce, but would generate a constant revenue.

The truth is that, for all its hype, eXeem is a closed source, windows only application that is integrated with Cydoor, the spyware application that is rated as high risk by Microsoft and numerous other anti-spyware products, and described, in the case of one client, by the antivirus firm Kaspersky as a “Trojan Downloader”.

On our test machine (Windows XP Professional) we tried installing the new open beta of eXeem. The installation process asked us if we wanted to install an IE toolbar, which we were able to decline. However, it's licence agreement asks the user to agree too install third party applications, and includes a clause that the licence agreement can be changed without notice.

Can we really trust the eXeem developers? Who are they anyway? What is clear is that they are not directly connected to Suprnova. The Suprnova founder is more of a PR guy than a developer of the application. Isn't what this is all about – money? Compared to Suprnova, eXeem has the potential to make a far higher profit margin than a tracker website, and combined with the connection to Suprnova it is possible that many people will try this application, if only to see what all the fuss is about over this Suprnova “replacement”.

We used several major anti-spyware applications, including Microsoft's new anti-spyware system, on our test system, ensuring it was registered clean prior to the eXeem installation. After the install a number of spyware elements were found (15 in the case of Microsoft's scanner, although we are not sure how it classifies these elements). The key factor was the Cydoor dlls and adcache, which are rated as a “high threat” by Microsoft, and as critical by other companies.

It is ironic that users who will perhaps turn to a decentralised application for extra security and privacy, are going to find their privacy more challenged by the “solution” than the cause.

We are a part of Methlabs, the group who developed the PeerGuardian application and were responsible for much of the original tracking of BayTSP bots and other anti-piracy scanners have a very important message to say: eXeem is less secure for downloaders!

Bittorrent is centralised, and as such it is easy to close down a tracker. However, eXeem is decentralised, and as such it is easier to find users to sue. As a RIAA scanner, you no longer need to track multiple different websites and trackers, but now simply plug right into the network, just like was done with KaZaA, and we all know what happened to that. KaZaA became overrun with fake files and honeypot downloads used to capture file-sharers, and I predict that unless eXeem is policed in some way the same thing will happen.

Interestingly, the very process that would make eXeem safer for it's users would make it more dangerous for it's operators. If the eXeem operators could prove that they had enough control to police the network of fake files, then they could in theory be sued for not blocking copyright infringing works.

Since we have already seen that eXeem is most likely run for personal gain rather than community benefit, it is unlikely that the developers would take any risks.

Lyder som om Exeem nok snart falder til jorden. Det er ihvertfald blevet hurtigt upopulært.

Min anbefaling = Hold fingerene fra Exeem !
(selv navnet lyder som noget der giver kløe :wink: )

[Fragman]

texten kommer fra denne tråd

http://www.methlabs.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31725

[nightspydk]

At sætte suprnova i forbindelse med exeem er nok en smule overdrevet. Jeg er trusted medlem og hvis andre end sloncek er indblandet i det her projekt er det kun en meget lille brøkdel af teamet. Jeg synes det er lidt synd at vi bliver hængt ud som skurke. Vi er kun almindelige mennesker med almindelige moral begreber og ønsker kun at fildele og måske lidt mere.

Hæng sloncek ud. Helt okay, men lad os andre (og exeem) være. :wink:
Vi er (var) også suprnova.